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		<title>By: Shari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane,

As we love Jesus, we can&#039;t stand the images of his beatings, the brutality of His death.  I believe that is at the source of us allowing Satan inside just enough to ask, &#039;Did He have to suffer and die?&#039;.  However, it is those images that keep my mind focused on that suffering, beating and true abuse of an innocent man - I caused.  It is my fault.  I can only deeply enjoy the resurrection knowing that!  I am sorry, Jesus, for my daily contribution to your suffering.  I am ever thankful that each day brings me new mercy and grace in You!  

Shari</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane,</p>
<p>As we love Jesus, we can&#8217;t stand the images of his beatings, the brutality of His death.  I believe that is at the source of us allowing Satan inside just enough to ask, &#8216;Did He have to suffer and die?&#8217;.  However, it is those images that keep my mind focused on that suffering, beating and true abuse of an innocent man &#8211; I caused.  It is my fault.  I can only deeply enjoy the resurrection knowing that!  I am sorry, Jesus, for my daily contribution to your suffering.  I am ever thankful that each day brings me new mercy and grace in You!  </p>
<p>Shari</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://abundantgiftsblog.com/but-did-he-have-to-die/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit frustrated with Andrea&#039;s sister&#039;s comment. It seems to ignore the central question, which is common when people rely on their own 
understanding of what the Bible (or any other book) says rather than actually reading it. (That&#039;s why I won&#039;t say anything about The DaVinci Code. I may be one of the few people on earth who hasn&#039;t read it, so I don&#039;t feel I can comment on it at all.)

Jesus was very clear that his mission was to 
suffer, die, and rise again. He did not consider 
himself primarily to be a teacher. Following his 
&quot;way&quot; was not the point; He Hinself was the Way 
(John 14:6)--also the truth, and the life. Not 
his teachings, but he himself.

As we accept him, identify with him, then we 
become new creatures, and begin to partake of 
that new, unique, divine life.

When I said, &quot;I am haunted by the question of
why Jesus had to die,&quot; what I meant was that every
time I am confronted with some other claim to a 
changed life, it makes me wonder if it works, then
why did Jesus have to die?

But so far, no one has convinced me that there is
any other way to create lasting change from the
inside out, apart from accepting Christ&#039;s death 
(he, the innocent, was punished in place of me, 
the guilty), resurrection (his triumph over sin 
and death), and the new life mysteriously imparted 
through the Holy Spirit, once I do accept these things. 

I don&#039;t think meditation can do it.

I don&#039;t believe will power can do it.

These things may be able to bring some measure of healing, of change, but can anyone convince me that they are a new person because of some system?

And while we are to work in conjunction with the
Holy Spirit (we do have our part), it is not 
ultimately our work. It&#039;s not up to us to conquer 
EGO.  I simply have no evidence, so far, that anyone 
can do it on his or her own.

Who is the most &quot;morally good&quot; human being you can 
point to? How about Mother Teresa? But she herself 
attested that she did all she did, not on her own, 
but only through Jesus Christ.

Can anyone think of anyone else? Come on, convince me 
that people can become good on their own! I don&#039;t 
believe it yet....

[By the way, the Bible doesn&#039;t say &quot;go sit on a rock 
and be still.&quot; It says, &quot;Be still and know that I am 
God&quot; in Psalm 46:10. It adds, &quot;I will be exalted among 
the nations, I will be exalted in the earth.&quot; A very 
good addition to the discussion: God is exalted most 
by Christ&#039;s being lifted up on the cross. Jesus said 
in John 12:32, &quot;But I, when I am lifted up from the 
earth, will draw all men to myself.&quot; John adds in the 
next verse, &quot;He said this to show the kind of death he 
was going to die.&quot; Again my point: This was Jesus&#039; 
whole reason for coming to earth: &quot;Now my heart is 
troubled, and what shall I say? &#039;Father, save me 
from this hour&#039;? No, it was for this very reason 
I came to this hour.&quot; (John 12:27)]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit frustrated with Andrea&#8217;s sister&#8217;s comment. It seems to ignore the central question, which is common when people rely on their own<br />
understanding of what the Bible (or any other book) says rather than actually reading it. (That&#8217;s why I won&#8217;t say anything about The DaVinci Code. I may be one of the few people on earth who hasn&#8217;t read it, so I don&#8217;t feel I can comment on it at all.)</p>
<p>Jesus was very clear that his mission was to<br />
suffer, die, and rise again. He did not consider<br />
himself primarily to be a teacher. Following his<br />
&#8220;way&#8221; was not the point; He Hinself was the Way<br />
(John 14:6)&#8211;also the truth, and the life. Not<br />
his teachings, but he himself.</p>
<p>As we accept him, identify with him, then we<br />
become new creatures, and begin to partake of<br />
that new, unique, divine life.</p>
<p>When I said, &#8220;I am haunted by the question of<br />
why Jesus had to die,&#8221; what I meant was that every<br />
time I am confronted with some other claim to a<br />
changed life, it makes me wonder if it works, then<br />
why did Jesus have to die?</p>
<p>But so far, no one has convinced me that there is<br />
any other way to create lasting change from the<br />
inside out, apart from accepting Christ&#8217;s death<br />
(he, the innocent, was punished in place of me,<br />
the guilty), resurrection (his triumph over sin<br />
and death), and the new life mysteriously imparted<br />
through the Holy Spirit, once I do accept these things. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think meditation can do it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe will power can do it.</p>
<p>These things may be able to bring some measure of healing, of change, but can anyone convince me that they are a new person because of some system?</p>
<p>And while we are to work in conjunction with the<br />
Holy Spirit (we do have our part), it is not<br />
ultimately our work. It&#8217;s not up to us to conquer<br />
EGO.  I simply have no evidence, so far, that anyone<br />
can do it on his or her own.</p>
<p>Who is the most &#8220;morally good&#8221; human being you can<br />
point to? How about Mother Teresa? But she herself<br />
attested that she did all she did, not on her own,<br />
but only through Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Can anyone think of anyone else? Come on, convince me<br />
that people can become good on their own! I don&#8217;t<br />
believe it yet&#8230;.</p>
<p>[By the way, the Bible doesn't say "go sit on a rock<br />
and be still." It says, "Be still and know that I am<br />
God" in Psalm 46:10. It adds, "I will be exalted among<br />
the nations, I will be exalted in the earth." A very<br />
good addition to the discussion: God is exalted most<br />
by Christ's being lifted up on the cross. Jesus said<br />
in John 12:32, "But I, when I am lifted up from the<br />
earth, will draw all men to myself." John adds in the<br />
next verse, "He said this to show the kind of death he<br />
was going to die." Again my point: This was Jesus'<br />
whole reason for coming to earth: "Now my heart is<br />
troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save me<br />
from this hour'? No, it was for this very reason<br />
I came to this hour." (John 12:27)]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea LeRoy (for my sister)</title>
		<link>http://abundantgiftsblog.com/but-did-he-have-to-die/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea LeRoy (for my sister)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane,

My sister is not a Christian. I posed your question to her and this is how she responded.

[And the answer to your wonderful question is YES and No...Jesus spelled it out quite clearly, unfortunately in my humble opinion, the messages have become tangled in so many cultural and social dramas that the practice of being like Jesus is not the focus. What is the practice of being like Jesus? Love, Oneness, Compassion , Nonjudging...you know the drill...but how to practice this with every breath, in every moment, every day? This to me is where Buddhism has a great deal to share (with Christians) that supports what Jesus preached...it&#039;s the practice. God made each and every one complete-there is no changing of the internal Self that could improve upon that, perio d. We each are completely prosperous thanks to HIS Boundless Abundance. What Jesus and other great spiritual teachers are trying to get across (again, as I humbly understand) is that ALLOWING (of the good, the bad, the suffering, the joy), is exactly the unfolding of God&#039;s Diviness, and that the PRACTICE of non-judging (everything) is a big part of our work in this life....our lessons are in how we handle things, especially in our SERVICE to others...it&#039;s when our EGO steps in and says, &quot;I don&#039;t like this_______. &quot; or &quot;If I just can eat this chocolate or take this pill everything will be____&quot; ,&quot;I fear _____&quot; or the lists go on and on.....listen to the chatter of your mind for one day....your EGO, dispite all that you may have learned from the Bible, etc, is still probably running the ship. The practice of melting the EGO and Allowing the Higher Self to shine is a practice that takes work...and only YOU can do thi s WORK...so yes, YOU alone are the only one who can do this (not Jesus the Savior), but HIS teachings along with past and present teachers can help you with the practice. Dr. Wayne Dyer does an excellent job of explaining the pitfalls of an EGO driven life and how to let your Higher Self (what God intends us to BE!) shine...once you get it FLOWING...the work is easy, but the lessons still come...it&#039;s all in the practice! (Go sit on a rock and be still-I know this is in the Bible somewhere!) ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane,</p>
<p>My sister is not a Christian. I posed your question to her and this is how she responded.</p>
<p>[And the answer to your wonderful question is YES and No...Jesus spelled it out quite clearly, unfortunately in my humble opinion, the messages have become tangled in so many cultural and social dramas that the practice of being like Jesus is not the focus. What is the practice of being like Jesus? Love, Oneness, Compassion , Nonjudging...you know the drill...but how to practice this with every breath, in every moment, every day? This to me is where Buddhism has a great deal to share (with Christians) that supports what Jesus preached...it's the practice. God made each and every one complete-there is no changing of the internal Self that could improve upon that, perio d. We each are completely prosperous thanks to HIS Boundless Abundance. What Jesus and other great spiritual teachers are trying to get across (again, as I humbly understand) is that ALLOWING (of the good, the bad, the suffering, the joy), is exactly the unfolding of God's Diviness, and that the PRACTICE of non-judging (everything) is a big part of our work in this life....our lessons are in how we handle things, especially in our SERVICE to others...it's when our EGO steps in and says, "I don't like this_______. " or "If I just can eat this chocolate or take this pill everything will be____" ,"I fear _____" or the lists go on and on.....listen to the chatter of your mind for one day....your EGO, dispite all that you may have learned from the Bible, etc, is still probably running the ship. The practice of melting the EGO and Allowing the Higher Self to shine is a practice that takes work...and only YOU can do thi s WORK...so yes, YOU alone are the only one who can do this (not Jesus the Savior), but HIS teachings along with past and present teachers can help you with the practice. Dr. Wayne Dyer does an excellent job of explaining the pitfalls of an EGO driven life and how to let your Higher Self (what God intends us to BE!) shine...once you get it FLOWING...the work is easy, but the lessons still come...it's all in the practice! (Go sit on a rock and be still-I know this is in the Bible somewhere!) ]</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Fisher</title>
		<link>http://abundantgiftsblog.com/but-did-he-have-to-die/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 03:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel people may be able to make some improvements on their own, but not from the inside out and not to the extent that our powerful Lord can when we accept Jesus &amp; are filled with his Holy Spirit. I know that God loves us just the way we are, but he loves us too much to let us stay that way! With Jesus in our hearts we can begin our long journey, of true self-improvement, step-by-step, day-by-day, as we grow closer to him. Change from God is always from the inside out &amp; it can be permanent if we let it. Unlike when we try to change our selves own way and always come up short, falling back into old patterns and habits. I pray all who read this will choose to take that journey too and begin to become all that HE wants us to be, whioh is more like him.  After all, isn&#039;t that what the word Christian means (Little Christ)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel people may be able to make some improvements on their own, but not from the inside out and not to the extent that our powerful Lord can when we accept Jesus &amp; are filled with his Holy Spirit. I know that God loves us just the way we are, but he loves us too much to let us stay that way! With Jesus in our hearts we can begin our long journey, of true self-improvement, step-by-step, day-by-day, as we grow closer to him. Change from God is always from the inside out &amp; it can be permanent if we let it. Unlike when we try to change our selves own way and always come up short, falling back into old patterns and habits. I pray all who read this will choose to take that journey too and begin to become all that HE wants us to be, whioh is more like him.  After all, isn&#8217;t that what the word Christian means (Little Christ)?</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://abundantgiftsblog.com/but-did-he-have-to-die/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your replies, Christy and Bitsy.

I realize that, while there is much we may be able to do for ourselves, there is one thing that we can never do: make ourselves perfect, righteous enought to be acceptable to a holy and perfect God.

And THAT is why Jesus had to die.

But praise God, he didn&#039;t stay dead, but ROSE and conquered sin!

May your Easter be blessed as you ponder this marvelous truth.

Diane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your replies, Christy and Bitsy.</p>
<p>I realize that, while there is much we may be able to do for ourselves, there is one thing that we can never do: make ourselves perfect, righteous enought to be acceptable to a holy and perfect God.</p>
<p>And THAT is why Jesus had to die.</p>
<p>But praise God, he didn&#8217;t stay dead, but ROSE and conquered sin!</p>
<p>May your Easter be blessed as you ponder this marvelous truth.</p>
<p>Diane</p>
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		<title>By: Bitsy Peebles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bitsy Peebles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I truly don&#039;t understand why Christ had to die, I know that His death gave me eternal life and that someday, I will be a resident with Him in Paradise.  Only FAITH can change us.  I grow in Christ everyday, because I stay in His Word and in Prayer.  The only thing that I can really say is HE&#039;S ALIVE, RISEN AND WITH ME DAILY.  HALLELUJAH!!!!  I can&#039;t praise Him enough for my salvation and for changing my life.  Again, HE IS RISEN!!!!!!   BELIEVE!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I truly don&#8217;t understand why Christ had to die, I know that His death gave me eternal life and that someday, I will be a resident with Him in Paradise.  Only FAITH can change us.  I grow in Christ everyday, because I stay in His Word and in Prayer.  The only thing that I can really say is HE&#8217;S ALIVE, RISEN AND WITH ME DAILY.  HALLELUJAH!!!!  I can&#8217;t praise Him enough for my salvation and for changing my life.  Again, HE IS RISEN!!!!!!   BELIEVE!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Suerth</title>
		<link>http://abundantgiftsblog.com/but-did-he-have-to-die/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy Suerth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have I found a way to make myself better on my own?  Well, I certainly tried -- for 34 years, I tried.  I found nothing and I remained miserable in the memories of my mistakes and sin.  Then I heard the gospel in February of 1996 and my faith took root.  Since then it has spouted, grown and flourished.  It becomes stronger everyday like a sunflower in August.  I am a new creation in Christ.  The old is gone and the new has come!  Yes, although I don&#039;t fully understand God&#039;s plan and why it had to be like this, Jesus had to die.  This is the reason He came to this earth.  On this Holy Saturday, I worship Him with gratitude overflowing that He would die for someone like me.  I marvel at the new person He has made me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have I found a way to make myself better on my own?  Well, I certainly tried &#8212; for 34 years, I tried.  I found nothing and I remained miserable in the memories of my mistakes and sin.  Then I heard the gospel in February of 1996 and my faith took root.  Since then it has spouted, grown and flourished.  It becomes stronger everyday like a sunflower in August.  I am a new creation in Christ.  The old is gone and the new has come!  Yes, although I don&#8217;t fully understand God&#8217;s plan and why it had to be like this, Jesus had to die.  This is the reason He came to this earth.  On this Holy Saturday, I worship Him with gratitude overflowing that He would die for someone like me.  I marvel at the new person He has made me.</p>
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